What the other guy said. I repeat, I’m not actually calling you a shill. I even agree with your point about JF, I’m just pointing out your logic is faulty.

That’s based on the assumption that’s your only account, though. Not that I’m calling you a shill, just pointing out the obvious flaw in your logic. Any actual shill would have sockpuppets to spread out their comments and hide their history.

It’s somewhere in pi. Wait a moment while I look it up.

And, are you an agnostic or an nonbeliever? Cause he can’t be both.

Oh great, I ended up arguing with somebody who isn’t even familiar with the meaning of the term.

Agnostic: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

But, if you wanna try to prove any of your magical, mystical beliefs, go ahead

What magical mystical beliefs? You just pointed out I’m agnostic. By definition, I’m the one waiting for proof.

It’s all ancient mythology made up thousands of years ago. There’s no fact or science in it because it isn’t real.

Nobody in this thread claimed it’s real. The only claim was that they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive with reality. Buddhism for example believes in reincarnation of souls. Good luck proving a negative with that one.

Honestly, militant atheists like you give the rest of us nonbelievers a bad look. You’re like that one vegan who keeps calling everybody Hitler.

No, that’s what some people think religion is. You’re describing a subset of Christianity, which is in itself a subset of religions. Just because it may apply to a large number of Americans doesn’t make it the norm everywhere.

Thank you for explaining a conversation that I had to me, based on the few words I shared here. 🙄 They also literally used Naruto as an example of how chi works, FYI.

you just dismiss it because they settled on using a different way of speaking and describing concepts that are nontraditional in western societies.

That’s funny, I was under the impression I grew up as a Chinese in an Asian society. Guess I was mistaken.

FPTP systems suck more. That’s not to say there’s no issues with better voting systems.

Oh I have friends in that group too. The problem is, I wouldn’t trust any of them to do logic and reasoning. They’re great people, but they couldn’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag. Just two days ago, a group of us were on the subway. Person A commented they admired the balance of person B who was standing without any handholds. Person B started explaining how they had been training their chi, and focused their energy into their feet, since they were young.

By human nature, a lack of authority will lead to people seizing said authority. And / or the collapse of society due to lack of social services, since nobody’s paying for them. Nobody needs to explain how liberal democracy and capitalism can reach a stable state, we’re living in it. Nobody’s ever seen a stable state of anarchy, hence the need for an explanation.

Or you could juat make it so no one has the right to govern others.

So, anarchy? I’ve never heard a good explanation of how that would work on a widespread basis with billions of people.

Slippery slope. Today it’s ‘Can you read?’, tomorrow it’s ‘Please explain the history of the Republican party in great detail’.

Clutches crystals really firmly and sends evil thoughts your way

As long as they aren’t believing every small thing that happens is due to the actions of said sky wizard, I’m not seeing the incompatibility. Also, I’m agnostic, so if you’re trying to get a raise out of me don’t bother.

In case you didn’t realise, I’m not disagreeing with you. We’ve found out that limiting the vote is a bad thing, since it tends to lead to further suppression of the groups limited. I’m just pointing out they’re right to be frustrated too, since democracy isn’t perfect and has its very noticeable flaws.

Also maybe Churchill isn’t the best person to be paraphrasing in this context considering how imperialistic and racist he was.

Why does it matter who’s being paraphrased? The statement stands on its own, judge it on its own merits and not who came up with it.

Kinda depends on their exact beliefs. Cuckoos aside, a lot of non-extremist religious folks have views that are reasonably compatible with reality, or at least not mutually exclusive.

Crystal healers, OTOH…

They’re not wrong, their intent is good. Universal democracy sucks, we just haven’t found a better replacement for it yet, to paraphrase Churchill

Because it shoots lasers

Wow, the daily WTF is still running? That’s the biggest wtf for me. I was reading it near 2 decades ago.